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ロン・ポール、CNNの番組「American Morning」に出演。

2008年11月6日

　

　John Roberts

選挙の結果が出て今、共和党を動かしています。
それとも逆に共和党が今回の選挙を動かしたのでしょうか？

共和党には、次に何が起こるのか、
今から、大統領候補だったテキサス州選出の下院議員、ロン・ポール氏に、
番組に出演していただき、お話を伺います。
今朝は、テキサス州クルート市からです。

ポール議員、いつもお目にかかれてうれしいです。
本日のご出演ありがとうございます。


　Ron Paul

ありがとう。
お会いできてうれしいです。


　John Roberts

まず伺いますが、オバマ大統領の政権になれば、
この国はどういう方向へ進んでいくのでしょうか？


　Ron Paul

はい、この8年間やってきた今と同じ道を進むと思います。
オバマの政策が異なるふうには私には思えませんので。
人々の認識においては、異なるものだと思っていると。
私たちが少しは勝利をおさめたと言っているもののなかで、ひとつは、
オバマのことを平和の候補だと私たちは思っていたわけです。
彼もそう思われることを望んでいました。
イラクから軍隊を引き揚げたいと思っているのだと見られていました。
現実には、そのようなことは起こらないと私は思っていますが、
少なくとも、そう思われていたということです。

実際、それは、2000年にブッシュが勝利したときのやり方なのです。
ブッシュは、クリントンがやっていた戦争に文句を言っていました。
共和党は、戦争には反対だということになっていたのです。
しかし、彼らは、政権に就いてから、その立場を崩しました。
それで、共和党は、これから長い道のりを歩んでいかねればならないのです。
大きく信用を失いました。
信用を再び築いていかねればならないのです。
政権を担っていたときにやったこと以上の良いことを、
ものすごくやっていかねばならないのです。
本当に問題なのです。
政権にあって、とんでもない仕事をしているのですから。


　John Roberts

それでは、今朝、共和党はどういう状況にあると言えますか？


　Ron Paul

ひどい状態にあると思います。
長い時間がかかります。
民主党支配から抜け出すのに、前は40年かかったのですから。
もしも、彼らが自分たちの根本原則を再び主張すれば、
そんなに長い時間をかけねばならないということもないと思います。
そうすれば、良い仕事をすると思います。
しかし、今現在、彼らは、とてもとても悪い状態にあります。
自分たちの進むべき道を見失ってしまったのですから。
財政赤字について言うだけじゃいけないのです。
彼らは、外交政策について、個人の自由について、よく理解する必要があります。
そのように話しているのですから。
我々は個人の自由に賛成だと、このような不必要な戦争はやらないと、彼らは言っているのですから。


　John Roberts

そう言っておきながら、愛国者法を可決し、イラク戦争に行ったと、そういうことですか？


　Ron Paul

そうです。
彼らは、自分たちが言っていることと正反対のことをやっているのです。
それで勝利をおさめたのに、それと正反対のことをやっているのです。
バリー・ゴールドウォーターからそれ以降の、この20年以上もの間、
政権を握るために彼らが言っていたことは一つ、それ以来、こう言うようになってしまいました。
おい、勢力を増やすこと、勢力を維持すること、それがすべてだと。
それで、彼らは、民主党のように行動しはじめました。
民主党の支持者のなかから奪い取ろう、
それで、さらに勢力を得られるようになると考えたのです。
そうして、あれよという間に、彼らはすべての信用を失ってしまったのです。

どうして、今回の選挙戦が、これほど共和党にとってひどいものになったのか、
落ち着きを取り戻してから、私たちは、その理由の一つに気づいてゆくと思います。
多くの共和党員たちは、きっと家にいたのだと思います。
とてつもない人数の若者たちが、オバマに投票するために現れたと、
私は、いまのところ、そういうふうには認識していませんから。
共和党員たちは、私たちがやるはずになっていた仕事をやらなかったから、
アホらしくなったのだと思います。
信用を築くのです。
人々を信頼するのです。
私たち共和党が言っていることを実行するのです。
それが私たちに必要なことです。
この8年間、私たちがしてこなかったことです。


　John Roberts

議員、本日、バージニア州のどこかの山に籠もってコンクラベ（秘密会議）が行われています。
共和党の長老たちが大勢集まって、どのように草の根の運動を築いていくか考えようと。
レーガン大統領のときの草の根保守みたいなのをです。
彼らはどうすればよいのか、あなたならどのような提案をなさいますか？
もしも、その会合の場にいたら、あなたならどうおっしゃいますか？


　Ron Paul

おかしいですね、私は招待を受けていませんよ。


　John Roberts

アハハハハ


　Ron Paul

いくつか提案できると思います。
私たちは実際に、多くの若者たちを引きつけたのですから。
若者たちに話しかけることの大切さを強調します。
若者たちなら、個人の自由というメッセージがすっと入ります。
自己を頼みにする自立ということ、自分たちのことは自分でやること、
「Nanny state」（子守国家・乳母国家）とおさらばすることを歓迎します。
もちろん、若者たちは、人身の自由について大喜びで受け入れます。

若者たちは、いつまでも続く戦争が嫌なのです。それは誰でもそうです。
しかし、彼ら共和党は、そのことについて話そうとしません。
愛国者法について、愛国者法の廃止ということを話そうとしません。
今と異なる外交政策について話そうとしません。
もう一度、予算の均衡について話すのです。
しかし、自国内で、病気にかかっている人々がいるのに、
医療について予算の均衡をどうやって出来ますか？
海外での支出、それはいつまでも続けていると、私たちを経済的に屈服させることになりますが、
その海外での卑劣で醜悪な支出のすべてをやめて、予算を均衡させるのです。
金融危機は、外交政策にちゃんと取り組まないかぎり、解決することはできませんよ。


　John Roberts

議員、あなたのなさっている「Liberty Pack」の活動についてですが、
今回の選挙では、22人の候補者を支援なさいました。7人が当選しました。
まだ二つの選挙区で、接戦のために勝敗が決していませんが、
半分以下の勝率ということになります。
この結果にはご満足なさっていますか？


　Ron Paul

ええ、現在においては、かなり良い結果だと言えます。
なにより、私たちは、現状維持の体制側ではないのですから。
私たちは、革命的な変革を要求しているのです。
この候補者たちには、本当に憲法こそ正しいと考える人になってもらいたいのです。
今は、憲法が正しいと言うことが革命的なことになっているのです。
ですから、ほんと、かなり健闘していると言えます。
なかには、私たちが少し冒険をおかしてでも支持を行っている候補者たちもいます。
注目を集めるようになっていくと私は思っています。
特に、党の指導者たちが信用を失っているときにあっては。
憲法は今も、訴える価値を持っているのでしょう。


　John Roberts

分かりました、議員、あなたがまた議会に戻ってこられることになって良かったです。
第111回議会を楽しみにしています。
これからも、引き続きあなたを追いかけてご活躍を拝見させていただきます。
今朝は、ご出演どうもありがとうございました。


　Ron Paul

ありがとう、ジョン。

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ロン・ポール
合衆国下院テキサス州第14選挙区
2008年3月4日、共和党の予備選で勝利。
2008年11月4日、民主党の対立候補なしで無投票当選。






B.J. Lawson - North Carolina, 4th Congressional District
(LOST 37% - 63%)
Paul Broun - Georgia, 10th Congressional District
(WON 61% - 39%)
Congressman Walter Jones - North Carolina, 3rd Congressional District
(WON 67%-33%)
Congressman Doug Lamborn - Colorado, 5th Congressional District
(WON 60% - 37%)
Congresman Roscoe Bartlett - Maryland, 6th Congressional District
(WON 58%-39%)
Collins Bailey - Maryland, 5th Congressional District
(LOST 25% - 73%)
Virgil Goode - Virginia, 5th Congressional District
(UNDECIDED - trails by 300 votes)
Congressman Denny Rehberg, Montana, Single District
(WON 64% - 32%)
George Morovich - Texas, 25th Congressional District
(LOST 30% - 66%)
George Lilly - Colorado, 1st Congressional District
(LOST 24% - 72%)
Barb Davis White - Minnesota, 5th Congressional District
(LOST 22% - 71%)
Michael Delavar - Washington, 3rd Congressional District
(LOST 35% - 65%)
Congressman Scott Garrett - New Jersey, 5th Congressional District
(WON 56%-42%)
Delia Lopez - Oregon, 3rd Congressional District
(LOST 21% - 75%)
Tom McClintock - California, 4th Congressional District
(UNDECIDED - leads by 500 votes)
Richard Matthews - Maryland, 2nd Congressional District
(LOST 25% - 72%)
Mike Hargadon - Maryland, 7th Congressional District
(LOST 19% - 79%)
Peter James - Maryland, 4th Congressional District
(LOST 14% - 85%)
Steve Hudson - Maryland, 8th Congressional District
(LOST 22% - 75%)
Congressman John Culberson - Texas, 7th Congressional District
(WON 56% - 42%)
Congressman Bill Sali - Idaho, 1st Congressional District
(LOST 49% - 51%)
Congresswoman Marilyn Musgrave - Colorado, 4th Congressional District
(LOST 44% - 56%)
Congresswoman Michelle Bachman - Minnesota, 6th Congressional District
(WON 46% - 44%)
Congresswoman Thelma Drake - Virginia, 2nd Congressional District
(LOST 48% - 52%)
Rob Curnock - Texas, 17th Congressional District
(LOST 45% - 53%)




ロン・ポール

政治において闘争することをないがしろにして、「最高を望む」のは全く愚かなことです。
今、独裁権力を持つ国家へと向かう行進が、駆け足になっています。

不安を感じて関心を持っている人々、
特に、失うか得られるかが賭かっているのだということが理解できている人々には、
この先、自由と繁栄の国であるアメリカの存続を賭けた戦いに、
精力的に参加していく責任が出てきます。






ROBERTS: Yes, well, things didn't go quite according to plan when we were testing out the technology. But we put Wolf back together again and everything is fine now.

As we move ahead with technology, the election is moving the Republican Party. Did it move it, backwards, though?

Joining us now to talk about what happens next for the GOP, former presidential candidate and Texas representative, Ron Paul. He's in Clute, Texas this morning.

Congressman Paul, it's always good to see you. Thanks for being with us today.

RON PAUL, FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Thank you. Nice to be with you.

ROBERTS: Where do you think this country is going to be headed, let me ask you first of all, under an Obama presidency?

PAUL: Well, the same way it's been going now for the last eight years, because I don't think his policies are different. Although, the perceptions were different, and I think one thing that we could claim a little bit of victory for is that Obama was perceived as the peace candidate. He wanted to -- he was seen as wanting to get the troops out of Iraq. I don't think that's going to really happen. But at least that was the perception.

And that's actually the way Bush won in year 2000. He was complaining about Clinton's wars, and the Republicans were opposed to the war. But they lost that position after they got in office. So, I think that the Republicans have a long way to go. They lost a lot of credibility and they're going to have to rebuild it, but they're going to have to do a heck of a lot better than they did when they're in charge. And that's the whole problem. When they're in charge, they do a lousy job.

ROBERTS: Let me ask you this question. Where does the Republican Party find itself this morning?

PAUL: Well, I think it's in terrible shape. And it's going to take a long time. It took 40 years to get the Democrats out of power, you know, once before. I don't think it should take that long if they restate their principles and they probably will do a better job. But, right now, they're in very, very bad shape because they've lost their way. But they have to not just talk about the deficits. I think they have to understand foreign policy and personal liberties because they talk that way. They say, oh, yes, we're for personal freedom and we're for not going into these needless wars and all.

ROBERTS: And then they passed the patriot act and go into Iraq, right?

PAUL: Right. They do exactly opposite of what they say and what they won on. And over those 20 years, from Goldwater on up, in order to get in, they said one thing, then they went and said, oh, the whole thing is getting power and maintaining power. So, they started to act like D3emocrats, thinking, well, we're going to take away some of that Democratic support and we're going to have more power than ever before. And low and behold, they lost all credibility.

I think when the dust settles, we're going to find out that one of the reasons this campaign was so bad for Republicans. I bet you, a lot of Republicans just stayed at home because right now, I don't see tremendous number of young people turned out to vote for Obama even though that's the perception. I think the Republicans just got turned off because we didn't do the job that we were supposed to do. It's building credibility. It's trusting people and doing what we say. That's what we need. And that's what we didn't have these last eight years.

ROBERTS: Congressman, there's this secret conservative conclave that's going on today somewhere out in the hills of Virginia. A lot of party elders are getting together to try to figure out how to build a grassroots movement, the style of the Reagan grassroots movement. What would you suggest they do? If you were at that meeting, what would you be saying?

PAUL: It's interesting, I didn't get invited. Maybe I could have had some suggestions. We did attract a lot of young people. I would emphasize the importance of talking to young people. And they are open to the message of individual liberty, to self-reliance, taking care of themselves, getting rid of the nanny state. But of course, they are very open to personal liberties.

And also, they don't like these perpetual wars, like nobody likes them. But they're not going to talk about that. They're not going to talk about The Patriot Act and repeal The Patriot Act. They're not going to talk about a different foreign policy. And they're going to talk about balancing the budget once again. But how can you balance a budget on the back of sick people here at home on medical care? You got to balance the budget by stopping all this ugly spending overseas that is so perpetual and it's brought us to our knees financially. You can't solve a financial crisis without dealing with foreign policy.

ROBERTS: Congressman, your Liberty Pack supported 22 candidates in this election. Seven were elected. Two of the races are still too close to call. That's less than 50 percent performance rate. Are you happy with the outcome?

PAUL: I would say that's pretty good, in this day and age, especially since we're not, you know, the status quo. We're asking for revolutionary changes. We actually want these guys to believe in the constitution. Now, that's revolutionary. So, I would say we're doing pretty darn well. And we took some risky support for some of the candidates. And I think they're going to be paying attention, especially since the party leadership has lost credibility. So maybe the constitution still does have some merits.

ROBERTS: Well, Congressman, good to have you back in the Congress. Looking forward to the 111th Congress. And we'll keep following you to see what you get done. Thanks for joining us this morning.

PAUL: Thank you, John.





November 12, 2008 -- Updated 1347 GMT

Commentary: GOP should ask why U.S. is on the wrong track

By Ron Paul
Special to CNN

Editor's note: Ron Paul is a Republican congressman from Texas who ran for his party's nomination for president this year. He served in Congress in the late 1970s and early 1980s and was elected again to Congress in 1996, serving continuously since then. Rep. Paul is a member of the House Financial Services Committee.

(CNN) -- The questions now being asked are: Where to go from here and who's to blame for the downfall of the Republican Party?

Too bad the concern for the future of the Republican Party had not been seriously addressed in the year 2000 when the Republicans gained control of the House, Senate, and the Presidency.

Now, in light of the election, many are asking: What is the future of the Republican Party?

But that is the wrong question. The proper question should be: Where is our country heading? There's no doubt that a large majority of Americans believe we're on the wrong track. That's why the candidate demanding "change" won the election. It mattered not that the change offered was no change at all, only a change in the engineer of a runaway train.

Once it's figured out what is fundamentally wrong with our political and economic system, solutions can be offered. If the Republican Party can grasp hold of the policy changes needed, then the party can be rebuilt.

In the rise and fall of the recent Republican reign of power these past decades, the goal of the party had grown to be only that of gaining and maintaining power -- with total sacrifice of the original Republican belief in shrinking the size of government.


Most Republicans endorsed this view in order to achieve victories at the polls. Limiting government power and size with less spending and a balanced budget as the goal used to be a "traditional" Republican value. This is what Goldwater and Reagan talked about. That is what the Contract with America stood for.

The opportunity finally came in 2000 to do something about the cancerous growth of government. This clear message led to the Republican success at the polls.

Once the Republicans were in power, though, the promises faded, and all policies were directed at maintaining or increasing power by trying to whittle away at Democratic strength by acting like big-spending Democrats.

The Republican Congress never once stood up against the Bush/Rove machine that demanded support for unconstitutional wars, attacks on civil liberties here at home, and an economic policy based on more spending, more debt, and more inflation -- while constantly preaching the flawed doctrine that deficits don't matter as long as taxes aren't raised.

But what the Republican leadership didn't realize was that ALL spending is a tax on middle-class Americans through price inflation and that eventually the inevitable consequence is paying for the extravagance with a financial crisis.

Party leaders concentrated only on political tricks in order to maintain power and neglected the limited-government principles on which they were elected. The only solution for this is for Republicans to once again reassess their core beliefs and show how the country (not the party) can be put back on the right track. The problem, though, is regaining credibility.

After eight years of perpetual (and unnecessary and unconstitutional) war, persistent and expanded attacks on our privacy, runaway deficits, and now nationalization of the financial system, Republicans are going to have a tough time regaining the confidence of the American people. But that's what must be done.

Otherwise, Republicans can only mimic Democrats and hope for an isolated victory here and there. And that's just more of the same that brought on the disintegration of the party.

Since the new alignment of political power offers no real change, we will remain on the same track without even a pretense of slowing the growth of government. With the new administration we can expect things to go from bad to worse.

Opportunity abounds for anyone who can present the case for common sense in fiscal affairs, for protection of civil liberties here at home, and avoiding the senseless foreign entanglements which have bogged us down for decades and contributed so significantly to our fiscal and budgetary crisis.

During the debates in the Republican Presidential primary, even though I am a 10-term sitting Representative Member of Congress, I was challenged more than once on my Republican credentials. The fact that I was repeatedly asked how I could be a Republican when I was talking a different language than the other candidates answers the question of how the Republican Party can slip so far so fast.

My rhetorical answer at the time was simple: Why should one be excluded from the Republican Party for believing and always voting for:

• Limited government power

• A balanced budget

• Personal liberty

• Strict adherence to the Constitution

• Sound money

• A strong defense while avoiding all undeclared wars

• No nation-building and no policing the world

How can a party that still pretends to be the party of limited government distance itself outright from these views and expect to maintain credibility? Since the credibility of the Republican Party has now been lost, how can it regain credibility without embracing these views, or at least showing respect for them?

I concluded my answer by simply stating the Republican Party had lost its way and must reassess its values. And that is what needs to be done in a hurry.

But it might just take a new crop of leaders to regain the credibility needed to redirect the Party. It certainly won't be done overnight. It took a long time to come out of the wilderness after 40 years of Democratic rule for the Republican Party to take charge. Today though, time moves more quickly. Opportunities will arise. The one thing for certain is that in the next four years we will not see the Republic restored. Instead the need for it will be greater than ever.

The problems are easily understood and the answers are not that difficult. Abusing the rule of law and ignoring the Constitution can be reversed. If the Republican Party can grasp hold of the needed reforms, it can lead the way and regain its credibility. If power is sought for power's sake alone, the Party will never be able to wrench away the power of the opposition.

In the past two years, I found that when the young people heard the message of liberty, they overwhelmingly responded favorably, fully realizing the failure of the status quo and the need to once again endorse a system of self reliance, personal responsibility, sound money, and a non-interventionist foreign policy while rejecting the cradle-to-grave nanny state all based on the rule of law and the Constitution.

To ignore the political struggle and only "hope for the best" is pure folly. The march toward a dictatorial powerful state is now in double time.

All those who care -- and especially those who understand the stakes involved -- have an ominous responsibility to energetically get involved in the battle of survival for a free and prosperous America.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Ron Paul.